Sunday, June 06, 2010

Lack of discrimination !

One of those things that annoy me .. referred to as a 'Madrasi' by folks from North India. I don't call a Marathi a Gujarathi, or a Punjabi a Bihari .. so why are all South Indians referred to as 'Madrasis' ?
Why are we forced to watch Hindi when they don't even care to differentiate between our languages ?
Why do they always look down upon us, and assume we are weird ?

At times, lack of discrimination hurts !

42 comments:

starry said...

I think it is because of ignorance.People are people and regardless of where we come from, sterotyping people is bad.

indianhomemaker said...

Ignorance! But I have also seen many North Indians think South Indians are intelligent, good at math, believe in 'simple living, high thinking' and are more cultured (classical dancing and singing) and more traditional.

Anybody who looks down upon another, deserves to be ignored.

But in case of close friends one can explain... if they are true friends they must respect the discrimination.

vimmuuu said...

Oh, I did come across such situations during my stay in dubai. But over there, not always they ridicule you by calling 'madrasi'.

The worst part is when some of the so called madrasis, who are born and brought up in the north, make fun of us.

Its the same with me when people make fun of others accents. I just feel strangling them to death.

Srijith Unni said...

Like starry says, its mostly out of ignorance. For example, i am guilty of the same ignorance, say when it comes to people of the north east, be it assamese / manipuri etc. Not easy at all to find out. Many in the south, think they are Nepalis/ Chinese even. I guess when we have such diverse races, such friction is bound to happen, but with time, we might learn better.

ajay said...

Language seems to be a big barrier in getting people together. But it really hurts when people categorize you by the place you are from. Does it matter? We are Indians after all and all languages should be respected. In our college, we are from different places,follow different cultures and speak different languages but we all cheer for India because Indians we are after all:)

Madhu Gopalan said...

Yeah the Madrasi thing is very annoying...I sometimes get so impatient, I start explaining to my North Indian friends that there are four states in the south, and Madras is the capital of one of them :)

But forcing us to watch Hindi? I know there was a time when Hindi was forced on South Indians, but it's news to me that we are still forced - I thought we could change the channel whenever we wanted!

I don't think North Indians look down upon us - if we think they do, maybe we are insecure - yes, there are racist people everywhere, but they are not the norm.

Deepa said...

Starry :
But if there is ignorance, an effort should be made to get some knowledge, right ?

IHM :
Like I said to Starry, if it is ignorance, there should be an effort to get educated right ? every school child is taught the different states in India, and the languages. Moreover, cities in the south can now be easily differentiated due to the tech boom, or even some of the actors/actresses. .... So, why the lack of discrimination ?

Vimmmuuu :
Yeah I know .... I stopped making 'Sardar' jokes a long time ago thinking it might offend the sardars ...
err ... have you strangles anyone yet ?

Srijith :
But once we are told, we try to respect the difference and address them properly, right ?

Ajay :
it does matter ! For everyone, their language and religion is very very important .... and more than the language, it is the sense of neglect you feel. Like I said in my post, most people in the south refer to the people in the North correctly , as n no one calls a Gujarathi a Bihari .. etc ... So, why not understand the differences about the southern states too ?

Madhu :
Hello :)
By forcing, I am not talking about TV/Cinema .... I am talking about people. For e.g. when North Indians come to BLR, they talk to all in hindi , and if south indians go to the north, there also you are to talk in hindi ... granted hindi is a national language. like for e.g., when i am in the company of people who talk a diff langauge from me, i try to grasp or understand the language , ehich i see among a lot of people in the south. But i do not see that in a lot of people from the north .. there was just one punjabi girl i saw who was real good in languages, and made an effort to learn Telugu ...
i recently heard a case where a guy thought south indians are weird 'coz they eat too much of rice.

Vivek said...

It does. It does.

kanaguonline said...

It's always there Deepa... Just like the caste divides and chauvinistic nature here... All will change when one asks a question 'Who are you?' and everybody replies 'I am human'...

People thrive on their identities leaving out what they basically are...

санжог said...

There are red necks every where, when you find a north-indian red neck, you can always call him the Turbinator, or say something about how you hate wisky and people who drink and that they are not even real men. You'll see the change in color on their face!

Hit'em with shovel on the face!

You were forced to watch hindi? I was forced to watch Tamil and Telegu movies by my room mates and I started loving them...some of them were really nice. I can even sing some songs in both languages!

I am against every red-neck, This whole country is ours and we are suppose to respect each others cultural habits and languages.

GhostScriptWriter said...

Solution:Slap those faces!Pull out their toungue!Then tell i am a malayali.Then they will understand the difference between madrasi and malayali and will not forget.The ignorance will be also cleared.

NB:I prefer Non-violence he he he

Deeps said...

I have come across such people a lot and more often than I tell them emphatically that I'm NOT a Madrasi but a Malayali.

This tendency to stereotype can be very annoying!

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

Vivek :
Sad that we too aren't aggressive !

Kanagu :
But, if there is not identity, then what is there ?

санжог :
I used to watch a lot of telugu films with my old friends ... and of my own accord, I watch Tamil, Malayalam and Kannada films ... but the difference is that we appreciate the differences and watch other language films too and try to learn the language .. but not so with the North Indians... which is what I find very insulting ...

GSW :
not a very good tactic !
You know some people even ridicule the dhoti and the southern penchant for tying it around the waist ...

Deeps :
Yes indeed !

kanaguonline said...

Is the identity called Human is not enough for us???

Whats with Indian, Tamilian, Nadar which just represents to which society among the humans I belong...

Why can't we belong to whole of the human race in this world???

I am not against Identities... but identities makes us vulnerable and devil... there is just a fine line between being proud of our identity and hating other people they are belong to one's identity...

I am a Tamilian... if I am keep remembering it I can't speak freely with other state people... I just hate myself to be identified anything other than human...

kanagu said...

read as:

/*they are belong to one's identity...*/

as they are not belong to one's identity....

Rakesh said...

totally agree with kanagu there!
I hate it whn some Malayalis take pride in referring to themselves as "mallus".Idiots i say!

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

Kanagu :
See .. this is what I mean .... you are a Tamilian, but you are ready to watch other language films , and learn different languages even if it is very strange.
But you don't see the same response from a person from the North .. they blandly expect you to learn their language .. even with subtitles, they refuse to watch southern films. Of course, there are a few exceptions.

Rakesh :
But when you meet a Malayali , wouldnt you rather talk in Malayalam ?

Sorcerer said...

yeah...me too...they called madrasi once..

Since I didnt understand his language..I didnt try explaining him.about dis thing know...

I go for the iggy button

kanaguonline said...

More than learning language its more about not to miss a real good movie :D :D

Even though I love Tamil language, I respect other language as its their mother tongue and also who I am to evaluate other language...

and even there are Tamils who just have pre-conceived notions about their state people and thinking that how proud they are about their state and language won't even start a conversation with them thereby losing a precious experience of knowing who they really are... more than that they pass the same ideology to their kids whom will follow the tradition...

It is this tradition that needs to be broken and some sense of we are all one must set in...

and what Rakesh meant is, the groupism there in many places... Even in my office I could clearly see each language speaking people will be roaming together in groups(be it Tamil, MAlayalam, Telugu, Hindi...)... whether all of them have same thought is different thing... they can't speak freely with another fellow human.. their language stops them from doing so...

Rakesh said...

Haha...:D
listen wht i was trying to tell is i hate these certain names given to people based on their states.For example the proper word for a person living in kerala is either a Keralite or Malayalee.

And wht i totally hate is this word called 'Mallu' which ppl frm the other states usually call us!Which is more like an insult to me.I prefer calling myself A human being first,then Indian,Malayalee and er..Karate brat! :D
But some ignorant malayalis take tht as a compliment,which i feel is stupid!

Btw deepa where r u frm actually?

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~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

Sorcy :
heh heh .. apadiyaa ?
neenge malayali ennu solikoodillaya ?
:P :P

Kanagu :
everyone is proud of their mother tongue/state .... but to look down upon another state, or behave like the other state is not worth respecting is bad.
I face it quite a bit .. ignorance from north indian friends ... that is kinda unpardonable, as we all learnt that there are 4 states. ok .. i cna understand they might not be able to distinguish languages (for e.g. a kannadiga with no exposure to tamil may think tamil and malayalam to be similar, or a tamilian with no exposure to telugu might think kannada and telugu to be the same) but i see that south indians make an effort to understand. of course, even i have met the kind of tamils u talk about ... but i find the way the north indians force the rest of the country to talk hindi quite irritating ...

Rakesh :
I know what you mean .. Mallu, Gujju, Gulti .....

let us play a guessing game ... find where I am from :D

::Sollungo boss, ennodu ooru enge ?

::Brattu, njan evideyinna ennu oohichaal oru mutaayi

:: Helli sir, naanu yaava ooruinda ? nanna baashe yaavdu kanduhidiri

:: cheppu saami, naa intla ekka ?

Rakesh said...

'thiruuundooran' anoo sthalam??
:D :D :D

Rakesh said...

i failed! :( im really bad at riddles u see,
now u tell me.. :)

Sudeep said...

Do ppl really feel bad being branded regionally? I have been called Bengali, North Indian, South Indian, Kashmiri, Marwari, Marathi etc. but it didn't (and doesn't) matter much. Might be it is a personal perspective to look towards it. But I do agree that people do have a tendency to club eveyone from South into 'Madrasi'. Looking down on South Indians... I have not yet met anyone who does so.

Rakesh said...

maharastra

White Magpie said...

LoL..ignorance is bliss for them isnt it? It is like calling someone by their last name instead of first. They dont want to make the effort of knowing who you are either because they are lazy or you are not worth going through that trouble in their eyes.

Yaar..stop letting such people press buttons in you..shift delete..

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

Rakesh :
wrong ! wrong ! wrong !
but partly right :))

Sudeep :
Hello !
IT is not about being branded, but the lack of knowledge and a lack of willingness to understand that hurts ... and say you forgive the ignorance, but there is still a disinterest to learn.

WM :
heh heh yeah ... but then you think why you take the trouble to make people comfortable... totally unnecessary when you are not shown the same respect .. but then ...

shail said...

So absolutely true. But the ignorance coming from educated people is surprising. Imagine how I have faced the same situation from army wives from other states. "Aap Madrasi ho??" and when you patiently explain you are from Kerala, they think Kerala is a city in Madras!! And ask you, "Do you know a Major Nair from Kerala?? So then you go on patiently explaining how difficult it is to know a Major Nair in the sea of Nairs in Kerala.
"Lekin Kerala itna bada bhi tho nahi hai na??"
Then you patiently explain how big Kerala is and how much the population....
Oh well now you know how I learnt to be patient. ;))


Look at Lolakkutty on TV. People think she represents Malayalis!!!

I remember a school play my younger son was in. He was supposed to be the state Kerala. He wore a mundu alright, but then they made him look a Tamilian with the ash and tikka and all. Though I tried to tell the teacher she had no clue about the difference. Education??!! Arrey don't they teach anything in Geography classes these days??!! ;))))) :P

But the Keralites too have their share of stereo-typing the Northies. All Hindi speaking people cook food in 'kadala enna' (groundnut oil), all of them dance on the streets for wedding, all of them were salwars, speak Hindi etc

kanagu said...

Its there... actually in my interview they pronounced my name in a way that I found really difficult to identify its me :D :D

/*::Sollungo boss, ennodu ooru enge ?

::Brattu, njan evideyinna ennu oohichaal oru mutaayi

:: Helli sir, naanu yaava ooruinda ? nanna baashe yaavdu kanduhidiri

:: cheppu saami, naa intla ekka ?*/

ROFL... Brattu maybe cursing himself as he is already curshing his brain for tea set and different climaxes... :) :)

Rakesh said...

Kanagu stop laughing and help me out man? :(

Ok deepa i quit
Maybe u somewhere between maharastra and kerala..haha
Hahaha

Ok i quit.Now plz tell me :)

Rakesh said...

?

Sudeep said...

Now I would agree to that reply, but still not to some parts of the post :)

kanagu said...

Bro.. here is some help... I found it.. She is near North Karnataka :D :D

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

Kanagu :
heh heh ... nopes ...
curious .. why did you think of NORTH Karnataka ?

Sudeep :
:)
You know my friend was telling me yesterday ... to swear at people, this guy used to say "Ay Madrasi" ... see what I mean ?

Rakesh :
Too bad boss !
Cant you think of the some of the most popular actors in South Indian cinema ? (Other than Rajnikanth :D )

Shail :
Hi Shail .... I know ... and why is it that it is assumed that the southern cities are so small ?????
Though in the south too , we have wrong info about people, we rectify it once we are told ... it is really pathetic at times

kanaguonline said...

As you have said Partly right for Maharastra and the way you written those sentences.. I thought so..

as always a poor guess from me... :) :) I think I can better shut up myself when it comes to guessing..

shail said...

I agree with you on the 'rectifying' part. I know of a Northie who insisted on pronouncing 'Pangode' (that's where the army is stationed) where the 'g' is as in 'goat' (simple you'd think?!!) as PanJode' with the a 'j' instead of a 'g'!! Really, is it all that difficult to say 'Pangode'??!! Or was he pretending??!! I can understand when people say 'Varrruthacaud' and 'Marrruthamkuli' for Vazhuthacaud and Maruthamkuzhi' respectively as 'zh' is not a sound non-Mallus can say. But simple 'Pangode'??!!! Did he miss out on the letter 'g' in KG?? ;)))) If he could say 'gana' and 'geet' why not Pangode?? Beats me. :D

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

Kanagu :
ehhh ? what in my lines made you think of Maharashtra ?

Shail :
I know .... inspite of not being a keralite, i took the effort to learn to say 'zh' .... even now, i sometimes have problems ... but I can still manage ...

kanaguonline said...

KB asked you for Maharastra.. and you have replied 'wrong ! wrong ! wrong !
but partly right :))'

so you mislead me... :D :D

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

Kanagu,

Partly right was for between MAharashtra and Kerala

kanaguonline said...

Between Kerala and Maharastra Karnataka is there!!!!

ok I am also giving up.. first I am poor in geography and second I am really poor in guessing :D :D

Avada Kedavra said...

Agree with you completely.. Have been there.. and they also feel they are superior compared to South Indians, only because they are fairer. You have a nice blog here :) Blogrolling you!!!