Friday, January 06, 2006

CITY - Renamed !!!


Prologue :
This post is likely to get a lot of eggs on my face , and I'll probably lose a few good blog pals , but , I am speaking MY mind here ....

Body :
" Bangalore " was changed to " Bengaluru " ! And I bet I was one of those real happy souls to see this happen .... Bangalore sounded English , and sounded like it had lost its character. And , " Bengaluru " connected it back to its parent - Karnataka.
Over the past years , so many cities were renamed :
  1. Bombay => Mumbai
  2. Madras => Chennai
  3. Trivandrum => Thiruvananthapuram
  4. Calcutta => Kolkata

But , nobody bothered. But when , Bangalore changed its name , there were protests. Why ????? Bangalore was always a part of Karnataka. Infact , now , Kannadigas no longer seem to belong to Bangalore.

No other city , except maybe Mumbai , would stand a huge influx of outsiders. I should know .... I know how I have been treated.

Of course , I dont think it's wrong to go out looking for greener pastures. But , it is definitely wrong to claim somebody's place as your own, and kick the natives out ....

Of course , when Madras , Bombay and Calcutta were rechristened , I saw it as futile ... Infact , i even felt it wrong. But now , I think they were right ... I am not against globalising. I am proud , infact , that we can all live together this way in harmony. I am happy to be travelling too . but what really puts me off is when someone

throws a Tamilian out of Chennai,

a Marathi out of Mumbai,

a Bengali out of Kolkata ,

a Keralite out of Thiruvanathapuram

and most of all

a Kannadiga out of Bengaluru.

Epilogue :

We are tolerant people by birth. There is enough to satisy our need , not our greed .... Why trample on someone's emotions or on their pride in their native land ?

87 comments:

Arz000n said...

My dil goes mmmm...mmmm...mmmm...

I dont know why :)

Arz000n said...

I agree with you here Deepa Zee..and Bangalore renamed to Bengaluru is a welcome change...

Hmmmm...

Bangalore sounded English , and sounded like it had lost its character.
Deepa sounds very English to me...Im gonna call you DEEPU from now on

Happy weekend ahead!!
Are you planning to throw egg(s) on ma face lady??

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 Z000nie :
No way dear .... " Deepa " would sound English only if she were renamed "Sunny" or "Bright" or "Light " .... " Deepa " sounds 100% Swadeshi Dont ya think ???
And abt renaming me " Deepu " ... do u really wanna convert me from a female to male ... huh ?????

And why does ur dil go " mmm mmmm mmmm ... " Sounds like Salaam Namaste !!

Sudeep said...

Rechristening cities cause confusion.. schoolbooks have to be updated which is very expensive..

other than tht i dont feel it affects many ppl..except those who r closely related to tht place

PuNeEt said...

I dun feel name has got anything to do with people staying there...

Politicians just dun have nething better to do so they just keep changing names...

how would it make difference to the economy... if India had cities named as Bombay, Madras, Calcutta or Banglore
rather than
Mumbai, Kolkatta, Chennai or Bengaluru...

People who ruled the country named the cities as per their convenience & now the ones who are ruling are doing as per theirs

and dear...
no1 is gonna throw eggs on ur face...
ur too sweet for that

take care
Cheers

praveen said...

deepa...i totally agree with you gurl, i might not be from india to understand the sentiments..but i do understand that bangalore /"bangaluru" was becoming more of a globalised city rather than the city owned by kannadigas..and it is not right of others to treat the natives as 2nd class citizens...

let it not be another example of modern day colonialisation..

anyway, i wonder..does anyone in bangaluru still speak kannada...or it's not emphasized at all..what about it school?

praveen said...

and yeah...for those who want to actually throw eggs on your face...tell them to go fly kites alrite...

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 Sudeep :
Yeah ... textbooks and all are fine , but you know there is a lot in a name .. it contains the whole essence of the place ....

2 Puneet :
No no ... forget the politicians ... they are not even worth talking about ... what i am talking about here is the human element ... what people feel ...
And , thanx so much for the last comment ... that was real sweet of you :)

2 Praveen :
Where are you from ? I thought u were an Indian settled in Malaysia.
Well , about Kannada ,yes ... lots of people still do .. and itz all the stronger for people living outside Karnataka. Infact , now it is compulsory to learn KAnnada in schools.
Globalisation is fine .. but what hurts is the attitude of the people.
In all other parts of KArnataka , they still make an effort to keep the traditions and the nuances alive.
And abt the kite ... Awwww ,... thanx ... sure , i will !!

tulipspeaks said...

hmm.. whats in a name? i still don't get the fuss about changing the name of a city/town..may be it'll be a little difficult for us to call it with its new name as we are so used to the initial name..but then, we need to start at somewhr rite?


=am000nie=

AnonymousBlogger said...

Not that it makes it right, but the kicking out of natives by "foreigners" was pretty common in North America, and could argue that people like me owe them for that.

I'm not familiar with the situation you speak of, but the treatment of such natives here was pittiful to say the least.

Art said...

Name of the city has got nothing to do with the harmony...
Chaniging names wouldnt change anything.. Expect for official purposes.. It remains the same...

We still call places... Bombay,Calcutaa and Madras....

And I love Bangalore... I love the name too... From my childhood that was the name i always heard and proud of being a Bangalorian...

Some politicians.. want to show off their sudden love towards the place, think they can achieve it by such ideas....

A few more years our country will be renamed to "Hindustan" that was what it was before....

Be it the stylish Bangalore or the ethnic Bengaluru... I always love the place...

Vivek said...

Hiii
Does it matter if its Bangalore or Bengalooru? I don wanna sound a modernist or sth but i do feel tat its needless to create such a fuss abt sth as unimportant as a city's name. A rose by any other name wud smell as sweet ;)

praveen said...

hey deepa..yeah i am indian..but i was born and bred in malaysia..and so was my dad and my grandparents..only my mom is from india

vaibhav said...

Oh yes,

u said it right! I totaly agree with u!

Divya said...

hmmm good going deepa...

Michelle said...

i dunno...i din like it wen they changed bangalore to benglaru :( :(

Nitika said...

well said deepa......

haven't face such situation here atleast in the field of renaming......but in other field like terriorism and war..its pathetic.....:huh:...

take care

silverine said...

Well said Deepa!!! I for one would like to see Bangalore retain its Kannadiga Essence. Without the Kannadiga, Bangalore will loose it's soul.

Ajay said...

he deepa i don know what the hell is going on in our GOV. Banglore sounds better then bangluru.... ???????
and more over insted improving the state y r they thinking of changing the name

Lost in trance... said...

will just renaming bring back blores real nature? why do people call it a true cosmoplitan city? would not playing new movies help either? neaaah

Jackal said...

uff i dont like thes name changes...imagine when jesus cus back he wud be so confused .....may be i can make money out of it...thinking of bringing out a kind of travel guide...called "old names new names" ..but realy its so confusing n worse when u have had a change then another pol party comes along n changes the name again.....
..in my state i knew almost all districts but now with soo many being called differently i have no clue as to wht stands for whom....any way.....hugzzz byee tcccc

Sudeep said...

it might affect the local ppl

i can agree tht in a sense if Pune is reverted back to Punavdi, the original name, then as a localite i will feel whts the need for it coz now i m used to this name

I agree with Puneet tht politicians have nothing better than renaming places n erecting statues n ltrz capitalising on the same for their vote-banks..

praveen said...

by the way, i had one question lingering in my mind..how come madras's name was very much different from its original chennai...very much unlike its other counterparts such as bombay-mumbai and calcutta-kolkata which were similar??

does anyone have any information pertaining to this??

Keshi said...

I totally agree with ya Deepz! But why do they keep changing names of cities this way?? It's bloody confusing :)

Keshi.

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 Amutha :
Actually, it goes far beyond just plain renaming ....
It involves politicians' egos and all that ...

2 AB :
Hey ... .where are u from then ? And what does Canada have to do with the people who were natives of N.America ? I actually admire the Canadian attitude ... I find them kinda true to themselves.

2 Art :
Yes ... i love BLR too ... one can never forget one's roots .... but i dont like it being taken over ... and I prefer the ethnic place .. anyday ....
I generally get a pang when i see the old BLR ... coz I am used to that from childhood.

2 .:Me a ReBeL:. :
H I !!!!
Well , names do matter , dont ya think ... atleast, wrt people , it matters ... na ??

Mind Curry said...

i have been in bangalore and have loved the place over the years. I am not aware of any "native-settler" issue, and I am shocked to know something like that happening. But I cannot figure how changing Bangalore to Bengaluru solves that, or retains the kannada culture. Perhaps its just a namesake, in which case I feel its not appropriate. Bangalore has spent millions to build the brand name and it has played a crucial role in setting the Indian economy rolling. Think of the term "Bangalored" popping up - that is the global impact. I still feel naming it "Bengaluru" is just a political gimmick to appease a section of the people, at a time when people have taken note of how they cannot really solve real issues like infrastructure.

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 Praveen :
Where in India is ur mom from ? What do u speak at home ?

2 Vaibhav :
Heyyyyy ..... how come ? imean , what makes u agree with me so completely ?

2 Divya :
Thanx ma'm

2 Mί¢ђεĻLē :
Why ? Why didnt u like it ?

Anonymous said...

a prologue at the end of the text... howz that???? :p

btw, what ever said and done to other cities, delhi is still untouched and the point is they can't seem to rename delhi as it has had all kind of "official" names in the past [since pre-medieval times], the oldest city in india with the newest name ... lol

burf said...

hey deepa dear, it was me (the last comment)

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 Nitika :
yes dear ... u r right .. so many things are so pathetic ...
u take care too ..
c u soon.

2 Silverine :
Thanx dear ... am so glad u feel that way too ..
Thanx a ton :))

2 Ajay :
WEll , i think the name changing is to appease a lot of people.
In some ways , i feel ., it is causing a divide between ppl from diff states ... but , a lot of things r happening that shouldnt ... right ?

2 Lost in trance... :
Renaming may not bring it back , but it might help some people.
And yes , itz more cosmo .... the KAnnadigas account for just abt 30% in Bangalore , which is very bad , in my opinion.
What movies ?

Shikha said...

The sentiments behind renaming cities maybe laudable but does a change in name really change anything?Lots of people will continue to use bangalore...the only noticeable change will be a drastic reduction in the govt's coffer level,for changing signboards,textbooks,etc...there are so many other uses for all that money

rebel_on_loose said...

Well i'll again use the by-now-oft-used quote of Shakes- "What's in a name ?" :) What matters is that the city can keep those FDI's flowing in, and make some much needed revampings in the infrastructure!
And u missed mentioning Punjabis being thrown out of Punjab! :p Kidding.

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 Jackal :
Now , thatz a thought : making money that way ... liked the imagination ...
where r u from ?
tc
bye

2 Sudeep :
Woooooo hoooooo
read ur comment on AB's blog ... really feel like grinning ...
Statues ... i know ... Grrrr !!!

2 Praveen :
i am not sure abt this one .... but the tamilians claim that chennai was originally chennai ... tho , i dont remember reading that in any manuscript / article pertaining to the ancient times ..

2 Keshi :
Hi dear ...
Itz like this :
politicians rename the cities for their own benefit in the guise of upholding traditions , which is not really true ...
but certain naive people get taken in by that and go to extremes to fulfil their wishes.

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 mind curry :
Thatz the whole point .... BLR spent so much time and effort on commercialism , and all that ... now , the people there feel they dont belong ....
everytime , i go to BLR , it hurts ... coz itz no longer the place where i grew up ...

2 burf (anon) :
Didnt get the first line ... what was that ?
I always had a doubt : I know New Delhi .. but what exactly is Old Delhi then ???

2 Shikha :
You are right abt the coffer levels and the " Bangalore " usage ... but to many natives , it MIGHT come as a relief ... more than natives , to the elderly natives.

2 rebel_on_loose :
Heyyyy ....
oh oh :((((
I didnt know abt the Punjab issue ... r u for serious or just pulling my leg ?
* Deepa is confused *

Sudeep said...

:)

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 sudeep :
??????

rebel_on_loose said...

What i meant was that i hail from Chandigarh(Punjab) but have been forced to relocate to Bengaluru due to better options in the Software industry here!
Not that i'm complaining,yet everyone has a soft corner for their hometown u c!

burf said...

a prologue is a short passage added at the start of a literary work

and

an epilogue is a short passage added at the end of a literary work

:p

actually in older times the city was surrounded by a like 25 foot high wall, but as the population grew the population spilled to the outside of this walled city, so on a broader base, the city outside is new delhi and the part inside the wall is old delhi

Sudeep said...

the grin part made me smile :)

Mind Curry said...

bangaloreans should feel proud of what the city is today and what it has brought for the average indian. commercialism, infrastructure issues etc are bound to crop up in any bustling city. and as india grows, for that matter any country, there are changes that one has to keep up with.

Sujit said...

If none of the cities have changed then its fine.. but they have changed .. why not us?.. is always a question. And you said.. the number of kanndigas in bangalore is quite less comapred to outside population!!.. so the noise(outsiders) is greater than the signal(kannadigas)!! So, obviously there will be lot or talk!!.. but its bold step that should have been taken long back, good that finally it has come...

Ujwal said...

hey deepa ur point taken here. But as sudeep and other say...I think it is probably the ploy of politicians to use such things like changing city names...airport names and thus capture the emotions of local / native people of the city and thus...create vote banks...

Keshi said...

oh ok Deeepz...it's always the case na...politicians play up and ppl suffer..

Keshi.

praveen said...

**Where in India is ur mom from ? What do u speak at home ?

my mom is from ludhiana,punjab..but my dad is tamil-malayalee and he's also from malaysia..we speak english at home generally...but i can speak tamil as well..

Khushi said...

Hey,
I agree with you dear...
we Indians usually have a meaning for all the names we use. the word 'bangalore' doesnt mean anything... I guess half the people of our generation itself dont know the story behind the name 'bengaluru'... I guess we should stick to our roots... I very much agree changing the name will be lot of trouble to change all the boards and all that.. and also whether its bangalore or bengaluru, i'll have to spend half my life in the same chaotic roads, and nothing is gonna change, but just coz some phirangs dint know how to pronounse the name, why should we all follow them? atleast better late than never :-|

susubala said...

The summary of name change looks odd and it takes more time to get accustomed with new names. Well, I use only the old names like Madras, Bombay, calcutta etc., etc.

Known Stranger said...

for one thing, i never get along with change of name. in other way - i believe what is there in the name - an orthodox view. but firmly I believe we are hypocrite to feel changing name can bring colour and culutre back, i am afraid, it doesnt. I am nto able to accept bengeluru the way she was 10 years before and the way she has turned her culuture or style today .

I am not pesismist or anti indian culture and civilisation. If this can make a difference let it happen. but still believe me madras had its large scale recognisation. the name chennai will also get accustomed but it will take some time. actually speaking i never knew and many even never aware madras's original name was chennaipatnam. and the history goes back only hardly 150 years of chennai from 1845. there never existed any place called chennai before that and it was a city made by britishers.

But.. if this change of name is going to make a great difference in the hearts of karnatka people - let us welcome it. but I dont want to be hypocrite many of bangalore people may not even know the history and it no more matters to the young generation. I even question some history and culture based stories of our mother land and many of my peers dont know and doesnt bother and it doenst interest them too.. so Whatz there in name when the sprits in many of us is long back lost.

the Monk said...

I dunno what to say...but that's what B'lore makes special, right, the multiculturalism...All kandus I know here are totally against it...

Anil The Great said...

You are a smart girl :). You know what you have written about loosing friends and eggs thrown on your face ... , it has a particular termonology in pyscology , which I fail to remember but it is a very good tool to move crowd in your favour for they , as in the back of their mind they start sympathising with you and will put their words in your favour. Anyways I know you did not write all that with any such intenstions.

Now about changing the names, well dear, why thinking about Bangalore , think about India, why not make it Bharat or Hindustan , all the hindustanis will feel a local effect , isnt .

The problme with changing names is , first , loosing a comfort factor and secondly changing all the official documents etc and thirdly , it will really make no difference to anyone in the world. If Kanadigaas are living here for so long, dont you think they are already used to Bangalore as a word.

The worst thing about changing names is that it is all done for getting the political mileage and if we encourage such thing , then every local politician will try chaning his town/city name in order to garner a handsomes votes for being so caring and close to the city.

So those are the problems my dear.

-ATG

bindhu said...

It all depends on how you look at it deepa!!

Take me for example.. My mother is a malayalee (a keralite). My parents came to Tamilnadu for need of work.

They got one and settled here. Then I happened, grew up, studied and am now working too..

In this process, If my parents hadn't come to Tamilnadu, I would not have studied in a merit college and hence a native would have got the seat. Likewise, a native would have got the job. Did I do a mistake here? Who am I? Am I a tamil or Malayalee?

NO..I didn't boss over anyone nor did I chuck anyone out. It depends on how we take it. But if its something where in people are BOSSING OVER YOU when it is not right, then ITS DEFINITELY A MISTAKE.

I am not arguing for the tamils or malayalees or anyone else. I am trying to think rationally seeing hidden meanings in your post.

While its not fair on the part of others to do harm to kannadigas..
its definitely not fair to hurt other states people who r staying at one's native. After all, everyone are humans and thats what should be given precedence and not RELIGION or CASTE OR NATIONALITY OR CREED.

What r your thoughts regarding this?

Vivek said...

Hey
I hv blogrolled u :)

Ajay said...

i dont know what do they get by changing the names.... Time waste...
...good one... no eggs from my side...

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 rebel_on_loose :
Yes ... everyone def hasa soft corner for their native place ... not just a soft corner , but possessiveness as well.

2 burf :
So, where do u stay ? And when did this happen ?

2 sudeep :
Still smiling ???

2 Mind Curry :
Changes and revenue are all fine , but not when it kills the soul.

2 Sujit :
There you are - 100% accurate ...
Why should it be only us who should be global ? Right ????
And i definitely dont like the idea of BLR not belonging to the " Signal " (as u said ) !!!!!

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 Ujwal :
Yeah ,..... politicians are diff issue ... what i wanted to say was abt the peoples' emotions and thoughts.

2 Keshi :
Grrrrr .... i dislike politicians n politics.

2 Praveen :
Hey .... ok ...
I speak Tamil too ... but itz mixed w/ Kannada and Malyalam and all ....

2 Khushi :
Hello !
Welcome
More than " phirangis " and all , itz also a matter of our emotions ... right ?
Infact , i find Hindi more common in the new BLR than Kannada itself ... Putting up Kannada boards wont help ... itz the citizen's attitude ... in Coorg and all , they organise " harkathe " and all to bring out the lost traditions.
Yeah ... the traffic is miserable .. iagree

euphoric_dreamz said...

time leaves its imprints on the city's ..names change so do the people.

Sudarshan said...

Well well well I was gonna post an article on this topic on my blog too..but yours is too good!!I feel this is a foolish task that the government has undertaken.Bangalore's roads are among the worst to be found anywhere.The public transport system sucks.The crime rate is on the rise.These, and several more issues need to be addressed immediately.How do these politicians get time to think of such trivial matters??Yeah, Bangalore is Karnataka.Bangalore is the heartland of the Kannada People.I absolutely agree with that.But lately, due to the uncontrolled growth that the IT industry has seen and is seeing, and due to the continuing mass influx of outsiders in Bangalore,this one serene ,educated, 'thoroughly middle-class' and cultured city is losing its identity.Its surprising to note that a city that was once famous for its conservative and cultured people has become to pub capital of India.Furthermore, look at the way the government has turned a deaf ear to the demands of the people from North Karnataka [or rather, the people from all parts of Karnataka except Bangalore]. This is outrageous.People don't have power here.Nor do they have jobs and education.Shouldn't the government pay attention to such critical problems,rather than renaming 'Bangalore' to Bengaluru or whatever??Already, Bangalore is a global brand name due to one factor or the other, including lots of luck. Changing the name makes little sense. It's time the government thinks of much more important matters first!! Great post,Deepa!!

Ujwal said...

deepa...i saw some pictures of hoardings on roads of banglore. Trees which obstruct the view of the hoardings are cut!!! That is so ridiculously insane.
Btw, my parents have moved to banglore since last 4 months and they say that apart from all the beauty and advantage of bangalore...its becoming a very polluted city. I was sad on hearing that.

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 susubala :
oh .. ok !
:))

2 Known stranger :
I def feel therez a lot in a name ... not cities , but ours ...
and the whole things is mainly coz the people of BLR ( see how we say " PPl of BLR " and not Kannadigas ) feel it strongly.
Yes .. itz hard to adapt to something new ...

2 the monk :
People of our generation may like what BLR has become now . but not the elders ... right ?

PuNeEt said...

oyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

New pOst now :-)

mez waiting :-)>

Cheers

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 anil the great :
Hello ....
Welcome ...
First of all , i need none's symathy .... i am perfectly happy the way i am.
And my issue here was not with politicians...it was with feelings ... and at the moment, yes , KAnnadigas .. but it could have been a Mumbaiyya or a Tamilian ...
Well , why wasnt any issue raised when the other cities were renamed ? Why only when BLR is to be ?
Difficulties it causes , Yes.
I am not into politics , and dont give a damn abt what they say .. here , whatz bothering me is the projecting of BLR as everybody's land ...

2 Bindhu :
Hi !
Welcome !
See , even i am not staying in my native land ... i am staying in KErala , and i know how much of an outsider i feel .. only coz my attitudes were diff , but still , i took the trouble to learn MAlayalam and all ...
But i dont see that happ in BLR ... partly the KAnnadigas are to blame coz they think they should put the outsiders at ease and hence dont speak in KAnnada .. gradually , the outsiders make sure that even Kannadigas quit KAnnada ... havent u heard abt the " Hutch " incident ?
I put human beings ahead of all these differences - like religion and all ... but when someone deliberately tries to usurp ur rights , then , it gets too much

Known Stranger said...

if the name does going to change the heart let us welcome. no second thought or objection but some times i feel is the benguluru still holding the sprits of bengluru ? atleast chennai has losts its true sprits except the name that it bears in records. for the hypocrite satisfaction like mumbai just remains in records and thasthavechu but.. the spritis of mumbai long back vanished in the mordern world of speedy living..

But certainly it atleast helps in retaining the spritis to youngergeneration to let it know that it had its own spirits long back. No objection.

let us welcome the change. after all changes is must for human mind to rejunivate the sprits.

ANd hey... why did you ask i write in english or tamil.

to be honest - i think in tamil, scribble in english. I dont have the skill of thinking the concept in english. i think in tamil, the language i learnt from the day 1 i was born.

I even frame a sentence and i beleive most of the indians does that way.

often i find many of the metro people askign righta ? and not is it right ? something like that.

i think in tamil, scribble in english.

Known Stranger said...

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...
is "SHE" for real ?

Wed Jan 11, 02:25:34 PM IST


what does this mean is she for real ? i couldnt comprehend.

:: The Protector :: said...

am back Deeps, :)

me against the renaming the cities.... what the hell the found by renaming it? making lot of confusions only.

Cheers!
:)

vaibhav said...

Hey Deepa,

I asaid i agree wid u cuz methinks a city's original name is somehow associated with what it has become today. So I think retaining the original name (or rather going back to it) is a good idea!

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 .:Me a ReBeL:. :
Thank you ....
shall add u too .... hold on for a day .... ;)))
JK !!!

2 Ajay :
Thanx for the no eggs ... was dreading having to wash myself again ;)))

2 euphoric_dreamz :
U really think people change ? Are u sure ?

2 Sudarshan :
I completely agree with you ... Mysore is an awesome place , for eg ... mainly bcoz it is still itself ... and Mandya and all are still so behind .... no electricity .. nothing ... like u said ...
the BLR i knew is so different ...i feel like crying when i think of it ...
i love Belgaum too ... esp the ability to grow varied plants there ... but ., i find the language a bit difficult to comprehend ...
BLR was so diff .... and i hope atleast , the other cities in Karnataka will preserve the tradition.

AnonymousBlogger said...

"Hey ... .where are u from then ? And what does Canada have to do with the people who were natives of N.America ? I actually admire the Canadian attitude ... I find them kinda true to themselves."

Being born and raised in Canada, we learned about the treatment of Natives by early settlers from Europe(French and British).

The Natives had lived across Canada for hundreds, possibly thousands of years. But when the Brits and French came over to colonize the land, they essentially took the land over-forcing Native children into Christian schools, and even purposely spreading disease to the entire Native population. (That's a very simplistic summary)

Now, the Natives have their own little patches of land, called "reserves". But are still "recovering" from the treatment from centuries ago. In many cases, they live in close to poverty. Whether that is because of events from hundreds of years ago, or other social matters is something that could be debated for days.

Of course, this situation is different than the one you discussed, but there are a few similar points I think.

Arz000n said...

T H A N K S
T H A N K S, T H A N K S
T H A N K S, T H A N K S T H A N K S


Alright, enough...else people will go crazy here :D

How you doing Deepa zeee??

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 Ujwal :
Cutting trees ..... yes ... itz maddening , but therez also a new awarness and a drive acc to which for every tree cut , the corporation plants 2 saplings ... atleast they do that ...
In Kearala , they just cut down the trees w/out any regrets ... u know , kerala is a beautiful place esp the vegetation .. the kerala govt doesnt seem to have any regard for their "natural" wealth :(

2 Puneet :
Ok .. gimme one more day .. okies ??

2 Known stranger :
Abt BLR, actually , BLR has almost split itself into 2 .. the old BLR , where things are almost as they were ... traditional , simple people .. and the new BLR where everything is crazy.
I asked abt ur writing coz ur poems are diff.
And , about "SHE" , what i meant was : Are u talking about a real person or is it some imaginary person that u think of ?

2 Vishnu :
Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ... welcome back ....
Where were u till now ?
What u r talking about is from a logical perspective , na ? not emotional .. right ??

2 Vaibhav :
Yoo hooo ....
Bingo !

2 AB :
Ohhhhhh ,....
so , u mean the Candians of today are actually Brits / French ??? I know French is one of the oficial languages of Canada ... but still ...
And , what abt the natives now ??

2 Z000nie :
WELCOME :)))))
Thanks Zeee

Ajay said...

hey dont worry i will help u out in the graphics for sure..... But u should help me in the ( blogrolling)....
u can meet me on chat so that i can giv u instructions and u will do it... If face any probleum can ask...
my yahoo id is
email--showeronfire@yahoo.co.uk
chat-- showeronfire

msn--showeronfire@hotmail.com

AnonymousBlogger said...

Hundreds of years ago, the "new" Canadians (non-Native) were all either British or French. Now, we have people from all different ethnicities.

People of French and British descent make up a much smaller portion of the population. Since WWII, there has been an influx of people from all over Europe, and the last few decades, Asia.

If you were to walk around a major city here like Toronto or Vancouver or Montreal, and ask someone their backgroud, it's almost guarenteed that either their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents immigrated from somewhere on another continent.

Natives today make up something like 10% of the population, but you wouldn't know it walking around the city. Most live on the land given to them by the federal government as compensation for past injustices(and the fact we pretty much took all the land, I guess they figured some should be given to them, and them only). So they have their own little communities around the country, which people like me (or you if you lived in Canada) aren't allowed to live on. We wouldn't want to anyway, as typically the living conditions are bad, and there is a lot of crime/drug use.

Essentially, the Natives went from being the only people in the country, to being given little bits of land and some other monetary perks from the government as a "sorry about taking your land, killing your people, and all the other stuff".

Maybe the biggest difference between the situation you speak of and the one I'm talking about is mine happened a hundreds of years ago, while it sounds like yours is much more recent.

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 ajay :
but , i dont use blogrolling ... tried it , but got fed up .. hence stopped using it ...
but shall help u with whatever i know ... ok ???
Shall add u during the weekend .. coz i dont have access to YM! here .. ok ??

Known Stranger said...

I scribble about everything in an inspiration. things are real, Many aa times i will not be the first and second person in what i scribble what i mean is i may not be directly involved in the situation on which i write. i get inspiration on what happens to my friends, my office colleagues, my female , male friends some time , i wear their shoes and try to get the feel of that situation and scribble.

one or two will be my own too. She will be real. inspirartion is real, but i will be mostly the third person who observing what is happening around me.

of all the scribblings i love the one i scribbled on a hurt love of my friend in 2003. i am planning to post it on feb 14. in fact i wrote that on feb 14th 2003. if any one reads it , will certainly ask am i the person involved in that. but i try to write as a first person but generally i will be witnessing the situation as a third person.

some time i write about myself too.. in an incognito face.

hotICE said...

my opinion goes this way... Banglore or Bangaluru, I don't care, as long as it continues to grow. Of course, the kannadiga feelings must be respected and no1 can argue otherwise. but at the same time, if the intention behing the banglore to bangaluru transformation is to improve the Kannadiga culture, well, i'm sorry to say, I don't see that happening. I have my own true blue Kannadiga friends (with surnames of Gowda and suffixes like hegde and gopad) tellin me that its all political gimmicks.

Common magaas, Banglore had bigger problems. The roads are horrible and traffic congested. there are farmers in the nothern Karnataka districts who are suffering fro mproblems of rural credit and drowning in debts. And for pete's sake, thanks to some lousy miscreants, we had an attack on our primier institutes in Banglore or Bangaluru. And instead of focussing on issues like these, our legislators are debting over trifle issues like these...

These are my personal comments. No offences to Kannadiga brethren. Only a li'l displeased with the intentions of politicians who are taking the electorate for a ride

Sudarshan said...

Hey Deepa thanks for commenting on my blog..and thanks for responding to my comment on your blog..I've blogrolled you..its my pleasure!!have fun and keep posting!!

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 Known Stranger :
Ohhhhhhhhhh .....
Good ....
so , then it'll be a challenge for us to figure out whether u r writing abt urself or someone else ... right ???

2 Hotice :
Hi there !
Welcome ...
i completely agree with u abt the politicians thingie ...
as well as the bomb thingie ...
i guess my post doesnt reveal my inner conflict ...
but , i really feel there is a real need to change the way BLR is ...

2 Sudarshan :
Am gonna add u too ... hope to see u more often .... c ya !!

:: The Protector :: said...

>>What u r talking about is from a logical perspective , na ? not emotional .. right ??

not from either side.... ;P


waiting for changing 'New'Delhi to 'Naya' Delli, Hydera'bad' to Hydera'badalu' lolzzzzzzzzz....
*No Defensive*

Cheers!
:)

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 Vishnu :
Really ???
u r pulling my leg ... huh ???

niki yokota said...

ewwww~ i think Bangalore sounds much nicer tho. Madras, Bombay also..(^o^;;

Nabeel said...

Madras is now called Chennai? hmm didn't know that.

>|' ; '| said...

:)
bangalore was easier to write.
so was trivandrum,
and calicut.
dont mind the new name though!

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 Niki :
It was easier ., right ?

2 Nabeel :
Hi ! Welcome :)
Chennai was originally called Madras , before which it was called Chennapatnam

2 Poison :
;)))))))))))))))))

Known Stranger said...

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...
2 Known Stranger :
Ohhhhhhhhhh .....
Good ....
so , then it'll be a challenge for us to figure out whether u r writing abt urself or someone else ... right ???


yes it can challange. I cover up my words in some ones situation and would use them as the means to express mine. a complicated way i do. and some times i give the blunt expression of mine and most of the time when i give my blunt expression , it gets un noticed but the expression from others shoes get noticed.

~*. D E E P A .* ~ said...

2 known stranger :

hmmmmmmmmmm

Mind Curry said...

at the end of all this, going by your rationale, i think we will have to rename bangalore as kannadigooru or something like that to retain its kannadiga essence. but then what about mangalore, mysore, hubli and all? and what about retaining the essence of india then? hindustan? sorry, i still feel changing the name is a mere gimmick than anything else.

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