Wednesday, October 12, 2011

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A Woman's tears are always her own .

Rarely does a man wipe them.
A husband, never.
A lover, sometimes.

36 comments:

P. Venugopal said...

Sad about something? Eh?...
But nice lines all the same.

urban butterfly said...

wow...so deep, and beautifully sad. I know this pain.

Bikramjit said...

sad.. but the same happens the other way too when she walks into the arms of another man ..

:)


Bikram's

Anonymous said...

Hi Deepa,
While what you said is true among those men who had not experienced true and unconditional love and affection, this is not true in case of those who experienced the love and affection of GOD.

To tell you frankly, even for women, they are foolishly trying to hold on to the mere individuals who themselves are not able to lead their own life according to their terms. If you associate yourself with someone who doesnot have control over their own life or their own sense, then, how can you expect them to show unconditional love and affection towards you?

But if you can associate yourself with those who have filled the love of GOD, the unconditional love, then, you have a very good chances of receiving the same unconditional love and affection from such individual. Be it a husband or brother or sister or father or mother.

Many saints have(after going through a lot of humiliationa nd suffering in this world) affirmed that one has to hold on to GOD all the times, just like the way a traveler going alone in a vast sea will hold on to a particular star in the sky so as not to miss the direction. Similarly, we as an individual(be it a woman or man) has to re-establish the lost rappo with GOD and hold on to GOD at all times, while we may be carrying out our day to day live aspects. Be those aspects like Leading the life of a family person or a sannyasin or any other role you may play, but never leave the sight of GOD.

Until this trick is understood and experienced, you will have to go through the suffering and sorrow. No escape. The world is designed to be like that. Until sorrow and suffering is not seen, individual will not turn towards the basic questions of Who am I? what am I doing? Whom do I have for me that is forever with me in life and death? etc.

I guess this a bit too much for you, but this is the fact of life, as my intuition tells me.

Once we get back our lost connection with GOD, the all pervading Divinity, that is omnipotent and Omnipresent, then, we will be guided by that Omnipotent and Omnipresent, and we will from then on will incur no sorrow or no suffering. After all, only GOD can guide us properly in this vast universe with out any bruises and wounds, safely and securely.

Sorcerer said...

Only way to get even with tears is to stay strong and tear the fear.

Its better to count on our own strengths than the people who comes in different blinb bling wrappings.

Sorcerer said...

Only way to get even with tears is to stay strong and tear the fear.

Its better to count on our own strengths than the people who comes in different blinb bling wrappings.

Rakesh said...

i use kleenex :D :D

Anonymous said...

Yes. You are right Sorcerer. You are right. You should count on your own strength. But who are you? You by your self, are a small speck in this vast universe. But when you associate yourself with the Omnipotent and Omnipresent GOD, then, you are fearless and sorrowless.

And to realize the All pervading GOD, you need to stop harboring the ego, called "I". Only then, your perspective will change and realization of self as an ALL PERVADING GOD will happen, or more literally, you can say you saw GOD or know GOD. Till then, you limit yourself to your ego, I, and then suffere in the duality filled world, where sorro/happiness, suffering/enjoyment etc comes one after the other in cycles.

Anonymous said...

When you associate yourself with GOD, your limits grow beyond your current limits. Just as the way, a laptop that has a wireless interface is all by itself, when it is not connected to the Access Point, but when it connects/associates itself to the Access Point, then, its limit is more than when it was in "Not connected" state and will have the capability or reachability of that of the Access Point itself.

I donot know if you know of wireless networking, but another example is that of a Cordless Phone and the base station. As long as the Cordless phone doesnot have connection to its base station, its limit is limited. but the moment, it has connection to base station, its limits are widened to that of the Base station and from there, it can reach anywhere the network is connected.

Similar is the Universe, including all the individualities in this universe. As long as we are stuck with the self- imposed ego "I", we are limited, but the moment we become open and expand our limits to others, as well as to the ALL PERVADING GOD, we are now limitless and work in harmoney with others, which is the reason no troubles will happen.

Kidty said...

Anon,I'd sure like my suffering to stop just for a little bit.

P. Venugopal said...

I find what our anonymous friend says here very interesting. I have recently started studying Sri Aurobindo's Integral Yoga. He is essentially speaking about linking oneself up with the whole--the individual consciousness linking up with the universal consciousness, the individual ego merging with the universal ego. We can call it merging with God if we want... When that yoking happens we become boundless... That is a possibility. But this is a deep subject and very subtle too.

Good morning Deepa! You are attracting a deep spititual discussion!!!

Deepa said...

Venu Maashe :
Naah ... just wrote this after seeing and sensing things

UB :
:)
i hope u'll never have to face it again

Bikram :
true ... true ... so ultimately it comes back to the first 2 lines !!

Anony :
Blind faith and belief in God is of course essential .. it helps remain calm to a very huge extent .. but we are all not Meera Bai or Shankaracharya. We are human and mortal .. and we have human and mortal fears. The more spiritual amongst us can stay detached but not always .

Sorcy :
Bling bling wrappings .. :D :D
As usual, ur humour makes me smile !

Rakesh :
Kleenex ... what do you use it for ?

Venu Maashe (2) :
GMorn to you too ...
I didnt intend it to get spiritual :|
It is indeed vast and boundless, and no man would have complete knowledge on it .. and what works well for one doesnt work for the other .. this is the beauty of our religion/way of life, is it not ?

Sorcerer said...

@anony

Yeah..Right...I have seen that movie about the small speck with an elephant and all..Nice animation..hmmm..Yeah the elephants name was Horton.

There is no denying the fact that there is some power in the Universe.Some call it God.Some call it God Particle.It all depends on the books you refer/read anyway.

Every moment in life is a struggle and thats the best part of it.Cuz every moment is a realization of oneself and we become more aware.The more you realize about yourself you become more free and you connect more with the world around you.

It's better to have scars and bruises because thats the only thing that says 'we lived' and we lived awesomely well and freakishly survived.Seriously dude safe life or living life in safe mode kills me.Life was never intended to be lived that way.See we humans even invented the word 'Struggle' to support this awesome theory.

Believing in God is one thing..Believing in Yourself is the other.

You ask Mr.God for strength and he is not gonna send you packets of protein powder or pump up your muscles or give a six pack abs.
God...Simply gives us a reason or situation where we should/Could be strong.
In the end..it's your call either to stay strong or not.
Having said that.to have a firm believe in GOD you have to have a strong belief in yourself first else you are simply dragging him to the mess you have created.
Trust me Mr.God will be so bored and will end up giving you a 'Life For Dummies' and 'Learn it yourself-Life Pack'.


"I" is a powerful "statement" and doesn't mean EGO always. It's the I that reflects the world around you.It's being you No matter how tiniest of the speck you are."I" is what life made out of you."I" is your identity.It's the way you are designed.And the Irony is Apple corporatized the "I".
I sigh.

World is full of duality and thats the best part of it. You don't understand the other if one of it cease to exist.
In a way..You believe in God because of this awesome duality.

Life is a thin line between

Aham Brahmasmi
and
idam, na mama

The trick is in moving this line a notch up or down depending on the situation.

Ps:Cant believe I wrote all these!
Should control eating intellectual food like potato chips.Apart from gas this is one side-effect.

@P.Venugopal

The collective consciousness a.k.a universal consciousness...aaaaaahaaaa..Blisss!!!!

"These days its the universal unconsciousness that is at large."-Sorcerer on unconscious state.

*sigh

Anonymous said...

Dear Deepa,
Who said that there should be a blind faith in GOD? They are absolutely telling lies. They donot know about GOD.

All pervadding GOD can be experienced personally experienced by every individual, with no conditiona what so ever. There are ways and means for that. Just like the way you spend time, effort and patience to earn money (or for that matter to perform any task), you need to work towards realizing or knowing GOD by way of personal experiences, rather than blindly believing based on reading or hearing from someone.

Swami Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said:
Knowing by way of reading is GOOD.
Knowing by way of hearing from someone else who experienced is BETTER.
Knowing by way of ones own personal experiences is the BEST.

This applies not only to any other aspect of life, but even to the realization or knowing of ALL PERVADING GOD.

By the way, you donot have to be a Shankaracharya or Mira Bai to know GOD. Infact, Swami Vivekananda says "Each Soul is potentially Divine". Its just that we donot spend time in that direction. By the way, we donot have to be in the state of GOD realization or in the state of Universalness all the time. All we have to have is the ability to be getting in touvh with the GOD whenever we want to be, just like the way a kid who had access to the mother whenever needed compared to a Kid who doesnot even know that there is a Mother who is available in case any trouble comes. Which state is better?

We donot have to become a shankaracharya or Mira bai for this. All we need is the ability to unconditionally seek GOD with all of our will power that we have.

You are right, the more sipritual can stay detached, but not always. But things come in steps and not in one shot. You have to slowly and steadily work towards your goal of more and more being in touch with GOD and not loosing the sight. You should have the ability to be in touch with the Universalness whenever you want to, instead of merely crying when the troubles come towards you. Please donot take my words personally. This applies to me as well. We have to work towards the goal, even in the spiritual aspects of life, just as we work towards the monetary aspect or career aspect of life.

I am posting this only, for the purpose of general thought provoking rather than aiming to hurt you. Treat me as your brother, be it elder or younger to you, as I donot know you personally and forgive me if you feel hurted.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sorcerer,
I think, I have hurt your ego when I said you are a small speck in this vast universe. Sorry for that. Believe me, even I(when I refer to I here, I mean this body and this mind) am a small speck , when you truly know the vastness of this universal or creation.

You said that Aham Bramhasmi or Idam, Na MaMa are thin lined. But the truth is that Aham Bramhasmi is the altar and Idam, Na MaMa is the way to reach that Altar. Only those who reach that Altar for whatever the time they are at Altar can say Aham Bramhasmi, while those who atill are in the process of reaching the Altar will be saying Idam, Na MaMa, to reach the Altar.

Below is what I have for you to look at:

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The attitude or realization of(GOD or Universal Self or Universal Counciousness, whatever you call) a person or Individual truly depends on the level of realization that the person had attained and the below mentioned phenomenon is a commonality across all the humans or any individuality irrespective of the race, religion, nation, sex, age etc. external differences. Having an external physique or posture at the body (or material) level, by being at the lowest level, may only be telling the things partially.THE ATTITUDE OF A PERSON CHANGES AS THE PERSONS LEVEL OF ENLIGHTMENT (OR THE STATE IN WHICH THE PERSON IS AT THAT MOMENT)CHANGES FROM ONE STAGE TO OTHER STAGE UNLESS THE PERSON IS FIRMLY ESTABLISHED AT ONE LEVEL.

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Here is a simple explanation and the core of all religions and some religions only told only partial info since there is no point in telling at those times,to general populations,when they are not ready enough to understand the higher aspects of the world. While mere words (compared to personal experiences) cannot explain GOD but only self experiences,here is a small try to explain the phenomenon of the world. There are more subtler stages as well, but this is a high level one.
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Anonymous said...

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HERE IT IS:
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Every individual,in the process of regaining the lost universal counciousness state or the STATE OF GOD or ALL PERVADING DIVINITY,will go through the following stages. The reason why its a regaining of divine state,is because this is what the ORIGINAL state is for every individual,the state of infinite hapiness and bliss and that of universal counciousness,of omnipotence and omnipresence. For some reasons, individual SOULS or specks of counciousnesses self-impose the individuality and limitedness under the influence of EGO (or the "I" feeling):

STAGES:
Body Counciousness-to-MindCounciousness-to-WillPowerCounciousness-to-SoulCounciousness(or realization of self as nothing but a speck of counciousness)-to-Seeing/Identifying Existing Of UniversalCounciousness OR UniversalPower-to-RealizingSelfAsPartOfUniversalCounciousness-to-Final Realization of self as all pervading UNIVERSAL COUNCIOUSNESS with onmipresence,omnipotence & existing with in the creation & beyond creation.

THE ATTITUDE OF A PERSON CHANGES AS THE PERSONS LEVEL OF ENLIGHTMENT CHANGES FROM ONE STAGE TO OTHER STAGE.


1.Body counciousness or the realization that self is the body (or mere senses). Perceiving the world and acting in the world with this counciousness is the lowest that any one can fall to.

2.Mind counciousness or the realization that self is the mind (or realization of self as the mere mind, still yet one more sense, but is more powerful than mere body senses)at of being more powerful than the bodily senses). Perceiving the world and carrying out actions in the world with this level of realization is a bit better than the previous body level, since Mind is superior than the body or bodily senses. Here is an experiment done recently to prove the control of mind over body:

http://www.brown.eduSLASHAdministration/News_Bureau/2001-02/01-098.html

I could only give modern scientific proof of this phenomenon up to this level, since modern science is still evolving and as of now, it is limited to material level and to some extent mind level and not beyond that. There are some vague proofs of below aspects, in modern science like declaring that all matter is nothing but energy and also some Quantum Physics concepts as well, but they are not complete and scientists are still debating on them.

Anonymous said...

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3.Will Power Counciousness or the realization that self is the will power.Perceiving the world and acting in the world with this counciousness is higher state than that of previous 2 states. This is because, in truth, Will power is more powerful than the body or mind.

4.Soul counciousness or realization that self is an ever existing entity. Perceiving the world & acting in the world with this counciousness is higher state than that of previous 3 states.It is in this state,that the person sees self as an ever existing entity & not subjected to the cycle of life and death & is not vulnerable to the material & mind level limiting aspects of the creation like indestructibility by materials etc.This state is more powerful than any individual qualities an individual may have possessed. When a person regains access to this state, even for a split second will be able to start perceiving the next states, that are above the individuality & leading to universalness. This is the state in which Sri Adi Shankaracharya had spoke of NIRVANA OR AATMA SHATKA, THIS IS THE STATE IN WHICH LORD JESUS CHRIST SPOKE OF WHEN HE REFERS TO HIMSELF AS "I" IN HOLY BIBLE, This is the state that lord Krishna refers to In Geetha and countless other enlightened Individuals had experienced this state in the past across all over the world. There is a saying that an individual who attains and retains this state or any below states at ease, can be trusted and no one else.

5.When an individual realizes self as a speck of counciousness or Soul after coming out of the outer sheaths(steps 1,2&3) of illusion, then the individual starts perceving that self is not alone in this creation,but starts identifying the existing of an unknown power,A POWER THAT IS MUCH BEYOND THE GRASPING power of the self.This is the initial stage of knowing the universalness.Sometimes,when we have developed an affection towards someone,then we would have a realization that there is no difference between that person and self. This means,a persons counciousness or the sphere of awareness or influence (perception or action) is beyond the individual body or mind or will power.This is the starting point towards realizing or regaining the universal counciousness.

6.In the intermediate stages of realization of the universalness, the individual perceives that he/she is actually part and parcel of the universalness.

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Anonymous said...

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7.In the final stage of enlightment, the person has no individuality at all, and is fully in tune with the universal counciousness irrespective of time and is Omnipotent and omnipresent. This is the state of GOD or referred to as GOD in various scriptures by the saints of all religions across the world who had realized what is GOD.

NOTE: Most probably, there is a possibility of a person getting access to the highers states of realization, for a brief periods of time, including getting access to the highest universal counciousness either intentionally or unintentionally, but those who can go into and retain the higher states at their will are the really enlightened ones.

A simple example of the above phenomenon of different states is the example of a person watching a movie. When the persons counciousness is fully involved in the movie via the bodily senses and the sense of Mind, the person is tuned to the moods of the movie. When a sad scene comes, the person becomes sad, and when a happier moment comes, the person becomes happy and so on. As long as the person forgets that self is different from the movie and lets the movie(which is nothing but a combination of lighter and darker shades of light) illude, due to self imposed restrition to the movie, the person is tuned by the movie. But the moment the person realizes or re-remembers or regains counciousness that this is just a movie, then, the person selectively enjoys the movie scenes and is not forced to be affected by the unwanted scenes. Similar is the world. The more a person lets self fall to the pull of the senses, the more the person is binded to the nature and environment, but the more the person realizes that self is above own body or mind or even will power, to that extent the person gets freed from the nature and its environment. If the person realizes even more further above the soul level, then to that extent the person gets free from the external aspects of the creation, and rises above the illusion of the creation, which again is nothing but the ALL PERVADING GOD's power that ultimately is responsible for the drama of the creation.
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Sorcerer said...

@anony

Actually..you are confusing the word ego with something else.
sometimes I wonder if there is a prize for proving it?

Dude/Dudette...Everyone knows that we are all just a tiny speck in this vast universe. There is no denying that fact.
As a good student of physics during my school days..I kinda learned and accepted the fact that this universe is freakingly huge and we are microscopically small.

The whole point of my discussion was not related to the speck thing.

My discussion was related to believing in self before having a blind belief in God.
If you start having a blind belief in GOD before you believe in yourself Its like taking One step forward and 2 steps back.

If you read what I posted previously..you would note that I explained what you said in a more simplified idiot-friendly terms.

Attitude or what ever name you call it is a byproduct of your how strong is your belief in yourself.
Higher level/lower level/firm level well all that matters is how flexible you are to move to and from these levels using attitude as a vehicle.

Sorcerer said...

@anony

Actually..you are confusing the word ego with something else.
sometimes I wonder if there is a prize for proving it?

Dude/Dudette...Everyone knows that we are all just a tiny speck in this vast universe. There is no denying that fact.
As a good student of physics during my school days..I kinda learned and accepted the fact that this universe is freakingly huge and we are microscopically small.

The whole point of my discussion was not related to the speck thing.

My discussion was related to believing in self before having a blind belief in God.
If you start having a blind belief in GOD before you believe in yourself Its like taking One step forward and 2 steps back.

If you read what I posted previously..you would note that I explained what you said in a more simplified idiot-friendly terms.

Attitude or what ever name you call it is a byproduct of your how strong is your belief in yourself.
Higher level/lower level/firm level well all that matters is how flexible you are to move to and from these levels using attitude as a vehicle.

Sorcerer said...

You meant we were not pushed off the trees and evolved into humans.
:O
oh God!!!!

*realization dawns with background moojik from the 'drama of creations' .
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ya know...there is a lots of books and websites on all these aspects of life.

The IRony is that None of the book says its GOD in the end.
It says onenness with the universe and it never says UNIVERSE is GOD eitherIt says about indvidual realization with the SELF.

Even the GODS in eastern mysticism are "representatives"/Figurines of various modes of psycho emotional and social settings.

The Nirvana is not to reach the GOD! Nirvana is en-lighted state of body mind and soul.At that state..Even God can wait.

If you read and study all these and in the end put a 'dramatic' end with Mr.God..I would say you are approaching the subject with a biased mind .

Just an observation.

:)

up↑take said...

Ego is identification with the body, with name, with form, with the individual.

'I' defies definition. 'I Am What I Am'. It doesn't depend on the world. The world depends on it.

Kidty said...

Chynna Phillips opened my eyes up last night to how God made each one of us so Skilled at one thing by her missing steps while being directed by her dance partner who was so Skilled in a TV show,her gift however is singing and she should stick to that,and today I admire my manicurist Skill that I can enjoy today and am pleased to talk about because "A Rainbow dances on my head as I'm Spirit led".The Rainbow is the beauty of the Lord if I get totally out of the way,without Him I'm boring and ugly what can I say.

Eon Heath said...

no ones tears are their own, we cry for others n cry alone....

:)
take care...

Anonymous said...

Dear Sorcerer,

You are now coming to the point. You said " Believe in your self first".

Can you tell me who exactly is this "yourself"?

Is this yourself referring to the body with five senses, or the mind that is a bit more powerful than these 5 senses bound body or what is this "yourself" that you want to believe in?

If its the 5 senses that you treat as "yourself" that you believe in, and go after whatever the senses say, then you are definitely doomed.

If its the mind that you treat as "yourself" that you believe in, and go after whatever the MIND says, then you are definitely doomed then too, but somewhat better than previous doom and gloom(when "yourself" is mere bodily senses).

Similarly,
If its the Soul that you treat as "yourself" that you believe in, and go after whatever the SOUL says, then you are definitely doomed then too, but somewhat better than previous doom and gloom(when "yourself" is mere bodily senses or the sense of Mind).

In this fashion, whenver your counciousness transitions from the lowest state (that of assuming self as body with 5 senses) to the highest states, at that times, you will get relief from the pain caused by the lowest states.

PLEASE NOTE THAT TIME IS A FACTOR HERE as well as the state of counciousness. Lets say you are a bit more enlightened person, who MOST OF THE TIMES(if taken a particular time period) you are in the awareness that "Yourself" is an ever existing SOUL, but still limited in vastness, then, you will be able to shed or gets disturbed by the lower level (issues/drama happening at the body or mind level) at will. But you will not be able to avoid the disturbances that arise at the SOUL level, since you have not risen above this level yet.

NOW, MY POINT IS THAT, AS LONG AS I(YOURSELF) IS FOR MOST PART OF THE TIME ARE LURKING IN THE BODY OR MIND LEVEL, THEN, we are bound to be tuned to the drama that happens at this level.

A more simple example of this is when you go to a Cinema theater and get deeply involved, then, your sounciousness is perceving what ever is happening on the screen with your bodily sense, called EYES as well as using the sense of Mind. now, when you(basically your counciousness or yourself) are in this stat of watching the cinema, observer that you get affected by whatever is happening on the screen, like crying when a sad scene comes , getting scared when a scary scene comes and gets laugh when a funny scena comes etc. Now, at this point, your counciousness is one with your physical sense of Eyes and the sense of Mind, so it gets affected by the external drama. Now, if you are a bit more controlled in the theater, you can easily avoid getting influenced by the movie.

You might have come across some people who even cry in the movies while watching the film. You might have laughed at them.

But, the fact is that the enlightened ones will LAUGH, when they look at us, who are still lurking in the body or mind level, without any basic capability of having any control over body or mind.

ALL WE NEED IS A BETTER CONTROL OVER THE BODY AND MIND, TO HAVE A VERY VERY VERY HAPPY JOURNEY IN THIS LIFE AND THE LIVES TO COME. The more you have control over body and Mind, then, in general, we ahve more chances of enjoying the world that GOD, the ALMIGHTY have created for us to Enjoy.

Swami Vivekananda, says, "No problem as long as we enjoy the creation, but if we have a problem when we have to leave the creation, THEN THAT IS A PROBLEM."

Anonymous said...

Dear Sorcerer, I donot know about the beliefs that you or anyone has about GOD. They may be blind ones, but MY BELIEF IN GOD, the OMNI PRESENT & OMNI POTENT are personal experienced based. And you cannot use the word belief, if you have experienced it first hand. This is called tested way of knowing GOD and god will withstand to such test and can be Known.

When Swami Vivekananda asked Swami Ramakrishna Paramahamsa "Sir, di you ever see GOD?", Swami Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said "YES. I HAVE SEEN GOD AND SEE GOD EVEN NOW, AT A FAR MORE CLOSER RANGE THAN IAM SEEING YOU WITH MY NAKED EYES".


Aaaaah. When you have that experience of seeing or experiencing as to what GOD is, even for a split second, then, every particle of a being will affirm that truth. Till then, we have to be in a state, in which, all we know is that there is a superpower that governs this whole universe.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sorcere, you said "Even the GODS in eastern mysticism are "representatives"/Figurines of various modes of psycho emotional and social settings."

Please note that GOD IS ONE, GOD IS ALL PERVADING WITHIN THE CREATION/UNIVERSE AND BEYOND THE UNIVERSE, GOD IS OMNIPOTENT.

Anything below this state, is nothing but a specific(see individualization happening that is different from infinity) individuality that will have all the characteristics, but to a variable level, from individuality to individuality. For example, in the concept of Hindu GODS, you minght have seen the Bramha, Vishnu, Maheshwara, but each have been tasked with a speficif duty, and hence even though they are doing the highest form of Duty for the drama of creation to unfold, they are still a bit lesser than the ALL PERVADING STATE OF GOD, but since at our level, we just treat them aslo as equivalent to GOD(S).

For example, in Lalitha sahasranama or in the Soundarya lahari(by Sri Adi shankara), it affirms that even though Bramha, Vishnu & Maheshwara exist to do the creation, preservationa nd destruction, it is the Aadi Parashakti , the universal Force that gives the power to these Bramha, Vishnu & Maheshwara to carry their duties. So, here, Aadi Para shakti is more powerful than these 3. But if you go above, even Aadi Para shakti is also having the basis and that basis is ACTUALLY THE GOD, the all pervading, that exists within and beyond creation and that is called the Paramatma or GOD in the strict sense.

But, for the level in which we are lurking, we just call everyone and treat everyone at the higher levels as GODs.

For example, if you take the case of Lord Indra, you might have known that he inspite of being the Kind of GODs, he still behaves awakwardly sometimes. THIS SIGNIFIES that even if a person HAD gained SOME enlightment, its not to be considered to be a perfect one and one has to move cautiously when going in the path of enlightment.

Anonymous said...

Dear sorcerer, you said:

"The IRony is that None of the book says its GOD in the end.
It says onenness with the universe and it never says UNIVERSE is GOD eitherIt says about indvidual realization with the SELF. "

I SAY THAT THERE ARE LOT OF BOOKS OR FOR THAT MATTER SAINTS WHO AFFIRM THAT ITS THE GOD in the END.

They also affirm that its the oneness with the GOD, the all pervading, omnipresent(within the creation and beyond the creation) & Moni potent.

Do you know what the image of Mother Kali standing on the body of Lord Shiva signifies? It signifies that Mother Kali(Aadi Parashakti) is the one who is performing the drama of creation (by getting the creation, preservation & destruction duties done by Bramha, Vishnu & Shiva) and that Lord Shiva(Paramatma or GOD or Parabramha or Heavenly father in Jesus christ terms) is bearing the reasponsibility of this to be happening. So, this image itself is a vast proof that the concent of GOD exists with in and beyond the creation and that is what many saints and books(Bhagavadgeetha, Vedas, Holy Bible, Quran etc) affirm. Its just that we donot know this.

MTaI said...

@Dee
Now look at what you started with all this talk about tears and shortage of Kleenex.....a full fledged volume on the existence of God, the Universe, Myself, Yourself, Sorcs-self, Anony=self...aiyayayaya!

I see it now! Tears and the Self, inextricably entwined!!! Oops! Hold on, lemme grab meself some tissues!!!

MTaI said...

@Anony
Chill! Relax!
Live and let live!
Peace! :D

Tried reading through all your discourses.....sigh! got lost!
Ah! The joys of a simple mind...makes life so much less complicated, no?

Deepa said...

Anony and Sorcy :
No no .. I am not at all hurt by anything you have said.
I agree with your views that without a personal experience, it is impossible to believe completely in God (We know Purandara Dasa's story, don't we ?) Of course, as children, we are taught about God , taught shlokas and all, but only when you've had a personal experience are you ready to place your trust in God.

Again, it need not be God for all .. some might just believe in a power .. the power that created us (not necessarily God)

I also agree with Sorcy that we cant leave everything to God .. when we are confused/upset .. God shows us a path .. what we do on the path is upto us. Then again, you could also say what you do on the path is also preordained. So, in a way nothing is in our hands, everything is God's Maaya and Leela( and hence Idam Na Mama).

Then again, we cannot afford to have faith in God and not do what we have to. Krishna himself tells Arjuna that just worshipping God does not make God happy and neither does just doing your duty without the belief in God. Both belief in God and doing your duty are important to God.

This is my intepretion or 2 cents worth of gyaan !

Deepa said...

uptake :
:) this si the beauty of religion, aint it ? you are free to intepret as you wish, and according to your circumstances

Eon :
and you cry alone

MtaI :
:) :)
I enjoyed reading through Anony's and Sorc's comments ,,, it brings back the questions of Who Am I and Why do I do What I do

Rakesh said...

wht do u ppl smoke in here? :D :D :D :D :D

MTaI said...

@Rakesh
Shhhhhhhhh!!!! Promise you won't tell and I'll tell ya! :D

Anonymous said...

Dear P.Venugopal,Deepa,Sorcerer,

Here is a snippet of the personal experience of the ALL PERVADING GOD or Universal counciousness or ALLAH or Heavenly Father or whatever you want to call. It is this experiences that even Swami Ramakrishna Paramahamsa(as a master or guru) had provided to Swami Vivekananda.

It is a first-hand account of this personal experience:

http://crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chap14.html


Regarding this book, what can I say other than point you to the references that this book attracted irrespective of race, religion, caste,sex etc, since we are all one and the same(Souls), when we shred the body and mind level differences:

http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ay/Comments_and_Reviews.aspx

Kidty said...

MTal if it's weed,it's no big deal,it's a big deal if you don't smoke it or eat it I hear.But heroin is a huge deal.